tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8019578584768795401.post2572396142880698585..comments2023-09-08T11:36:24.207+02:00Comments on Mat Rodina: Victory Day May 9th, Forever in Our MemoryStanislavhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/01399899593777065344noreply@blogger.comBlogger19125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8019578584768795401.post-15978313996554893172010-05-13T23:52:04.712+03:002010-05-13T23:52:04.712+03:00@Dejo
“It was Stalin who starved millions of farm...@Dejo<br /><br />“It was Stalin who starved millions of farmers and destroyed the USSR's agriculture for the sake of creating an unsustainable and relatively pathetic industrial base.”<br /><br />Actually only about 700,000 people actually starved to death in the Ukrainian famine (even that is a questionable figure) the rest from disease and that was down to the fact of peasants burning fields and killing livestock in protest and local commissars created there own administrative rules and given the fact they were Jewish like anti-Slav Kaganovich and had a conflict with the native Ukrainian population with pogroms and all perhaps that was the motive for any wrong doing during the period rather than a top level command. <br /><br />Collectivisation was to counter food shortages and used as foreign capital which famines were common at the time due to the effects of civil war like the Povolzhye Famine<br /><br />Most of Russia's industrial base and major projects like the Moscow metro were created under Stalins rule and it was this industrial base that provided Soviet hardware for the war against the Nazis.<br /><br />“Not that it matters since he sent millions of people to their deaths anyway. It's hard to be considered family-centric when you're constantly sending fathers and mothers to prison colonies.”<br /><br />No he did not the Soviet NKVD archive material shows the gulag prison population at 2 ½ million were the majority were guilty of some crime. Most prisoners in the GULAG camps survived. Millions were not killed according to Soviet archive material 780,000 people were killed under Stalins reign.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8019578584768795401.post-54011773990588670982010-05-13T12:34:08.394+03:002010-05-13T12:34:08.394+03:00It was Stalin who starved millions of farmers and ...It was Stalin who starved millions of farmers and destroyed the USSR's agriculture for the sake of creating an unsustainable and relatively pathetic industrial base. As far as I know Stalin never outlawed abortions. Not that it matters since he sent millions of people to their deaths anyway. It's hard to be considered family-centric when you're constantly sending fathers and mothers to prison colonies.Dejohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05481386633056298868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8019578584768795401.post-83505709871738665952010-05-12T16:54:35.993+03:002010-05-12T16:54:35.993+03:00At the risk of not helping things any, I am going ...At the risk of not helping things any, I am going to throw in my two cents, anyway.<br /><br />I am an American, living in Germany, quite fluent in the language, and love the country and its indigenous people, from the thrifty Schwabbie to the Conservative Bayern.<br /><br />I am the adorerer of my beautiful Russian/Ukrainian wife, though not so fluent in Russian, as yet. I love Slavic people, including the Poles with whom I made friends while living in Poland. <br /><br />I think it makes no sense to dwell on what happened in the past, though the heroic struggles and sacrifices of our European peoples are to be commemorated with reverence and respect.<br /><br />For the causes of the second world war, I would strongly recommend Pat Buchanan's excellent book, "Churchill, Hitler and the Unnecessary War." It was recently released in a German translation, and I have invested in several copies for my German friends, who seem to feel that they must suffer forever for the sins of their grandfathers.<br /><br />In closing, we all should remember that there is great evil in the world today that seeks to divide and destroy not just "Western" civilisation and Christianity, both Eastern and Western, but to completely wipe out the indigenous European peoples from the face of the earth.<br /><br />Vonbach and Slava, we need unity among ourselves. For if we do not hang together, we shall certainly hang separately.<br /><br />If the Islamic plague continues to spread and take over Germany, I plan to take my wife and two small children, and flee (if allowed) to Mother Russia.<br /><br />Many Years to all those who remain, and Mercy for those who died fighting to protect their homelands and faith. For those with other motivations, I believe the Lord God will judge them as they richly deserve.<br /><br />Peace,<br /><br />GavrilGavrickhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00713660347867435549noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8019578584768795401.post-55128677070317259902010-05-11T20:44:21.164+03:002010-05-11T20:44:21.164+03:00@ vonbach
All your pathos about refugees and raped...@ vonbach<br />All your pathos about refugees and raped nuns doesn't take away from this<br /><br />The Wermacht and the SS were some of history's most formidable fighting men. And the Red Army beat them. Double pincered them at Stalingrad after tenaciously hanging on to a 100 meters wide strip of land.<br />Ground them to dust at Kursk, the biggest tank clash in history with thousands of tanks, planes and field guns all fighting at the same time.<br />Fired trainloads of shells a salvo at Berlin while Hitler and his cronies cowered in the bunker.<br /><br />Fought for every inch of the reichstag and finally raised the flag over it.<br /><br />No amount of pathetic liberal moralizing about how badly the russians behaved will take away from this victory. The Germans initiated the most titanic armed struggle in history, and the Russians triumphed over them. And for that they can be forever proud. The veterans can be proud of what they did, their great grand children can be proud of what their ancestors did. If you don't understand that, then at least have the courtesy to refrain from comenting and let us celebrate our victoryUnknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02632594509405871220noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8019578584768795401.post-7639707638894352682010-05-11T17:49:23.863+03:002010-05-11T17:49:23.863+03:00They were both damaging in their own way. As a Rus...They were both damaging in their own way. As a Russian, albeit one descended from Jews, I'd have thought that you'd be more against Stalin. His reign lasted longer and had a more devastating effect on Russian society. If it wasn't for him the Soviet Union probably could have staved the initial incursion and definitely stopped them before the Axis came as far as Moscow.<br />I personally don't celebrate the end of WW2 because there's nothing to celebrate about that horrible war. Indeed, all wars. All that ended up coming from that war was socialism. In the west it was democratic socialism and in the east it was outright socialism. How can any reasonable person celebrate that? Especially Russians. "We have survived the fascist knife, now we can continue living under the socialist whip."Dejohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05481386633056298868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8019578584768795401.post-71124495446794657752010-05-10T20:36:26.094+03:002010-05-10T20:36:26.094+03:00Stalin killed 40 million people. Lets also not for...Stalin killed 40 million people. Lets also not forget<br />the policy of "Sovietization" this was essentially the<br />deliberate destruction of any conquered countries <br />religion and culture. The entire politically correct tyranny we live under was brought to the west from<br />the soviet union.vonbachhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11999271991399069937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8019578584768795401.post-72697736821484041422010-05-10T17:40:09.453+03:002010-05-10T17:40:09.453+03:00@Dejo
Two things to consider:
1. Both regimes c...@Dejo<br /><br />Two things to consider: <br /><br />1. Both regimes came up on the direct monies of the Anglosphere (US/UK).<br /><br />2. While Stalin was evil, he did not commit mass murder in 30 years to what Hitler did in 9 and he never wiped out whole nationalities or divide humanity into unter and uber mensch.Stanislavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01399899593777065344noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8019578584768795401.post-38616777392887676982010-05-10T12:06:22.261+03:002010-05-10T12:06:22.261+03:00It's a real tragedy that either the Third Reic...It's a real tragedy that either the Third Reich or the Soviet Union managed to carve out pieces from Europe, including the initial countries they started in. Both governments were built on the basis of slavey and terror. No sensible person would deny that. Both governments should have been wiped from the face of the planet as soon as they rose. No sensible person would be thankful to live under either Nazi or Soviet occupation. The individuals that fought are irrelevant, if you consider what soon followed them. Regardless of what they personally fought for, in the end all they did was defend an evil regime.Dejohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05481386633056298868noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8019578584768795401.post-90962464454656226662010-05-10T11:11:37.865+03:002010-05-10T11:11:37.865+03:00@vonbach
Yes, just tell that to my Polish great a...@vonbach<br /><br />Yes, just tell that to my Polish great aunt, whose conquest the Nazis prevented by sending her to a death camp when she was 13. Or my great uncle, who was a wounded cadet, hiding in a village, until he was found and promptly executed....sure, I've heard your line before, from the Poles, who said they were bringing civilization to Ukraine, for over 400 years: with the sword and the torch.Stanislavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01399899593777065344noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8019578584768795401.post-11194204680165081192010-05-10T10:53:47.260+03:002010-05-10T10:53:47.260+03:00@vonbach
Because they wanted to shut down the co...@vonbach <br /><br />Because they wanted to shut down the corridor used by the allied countries to attack the USSR. <br /><br />Towards the end of the war British and US military intelligence started recruiting German foreign fascist units to launch attacks against the USSR in Eastern Europe training them in Germany and Britain as part of the stay behind units. <br /><br />http://www.voltairenet.org/article30079.html<br /><br />http://www.counterpunch.org/blum10022009.html<br /><br />And given the context of the Cold War I would give any info an air of caution given that most info came through MI6/CIA’s Information Research Department which was then filtered to western mass media.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8019578584768795401.post-34956165334921831902010-05-10T08:55:22.249+03:002010-05-10T08:55:22.249+03:00In Germany you have laws that will put you in jail...In Germany you have laws that will put you in jail if don't tow the party line. By the way you might want to look into methods used to extract "confessions." The East Germans that were soviet slaves know the truth.<br />The conquest of Europe was what the Germans were trying to prevent.vonbachhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11999271991399069937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8019578584768795401.post-67424532641153341632010-05-10T07:39:39.609+03:002010-05-10T07:39:39.609+03:00@vonbach
Our actions? Sorry, it was not our leade...@vonbach<br /><br />Our actions? Sorry, it was not our leaders, no matter how barbaric Stalin was, who were out to exterminate us for Liebensrumen...that was your people's leader who was busy bragging all about that in Mein Kampf. It was also your people who have always had the Drag Noch Ost.<br /><br />Yes, the NKVD did it...gads you sound like the Islamics, blaming their pyschopaths on anyone but themselves. The Nazis wiped out whole villages and took photos doing it. But then again, I've noticed that Hitler's apologists are thick in the West. Thousands of Germans testifying to the mass murders is also all made up...right? I'm sure it was a Jew sitting on their back, beating them upside their heads to make them say those words. Well, the Nurenburg trials sure didn't seem to think so.<br /><br />Any time you wish to build another Reich on our land, welcome to come and try, we'll be having two victory parades per year then.Stanislavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01399899593777065344noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8019578584768795401.post-47258811226248707922010-05-10T06:06:44.960+03:002010-05-10T06:06:44.960+03:00The current zionist puppet German government deli...The current zionist puppet German government deliberately plays down the true numbers in that war you know. More German civilians actually died AFTER the war than during it. By the way if you had been "liberating"countries why didn't you leave? And please give it a rest with the 20 million civilians killed by the Germans routine. Especially with the proven habit of blaming Soviet crimes on Germans as in the Katyn massacre.<br />Or just rounding up the families of anyone that surrendered or defected to free their country and killing them. A favorite trick of the NKVD was to dress up like the SS then go in massacre a village then blame it on the Germans. Sorry listening to <br />Russians taking the moral high ground is just a little hard to take. Especially with your actions before during and after the war.vonbachhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11999271991399069937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8019578584768795401.post-24386170760728335482010-05-09T23:31:03.168+03:002010-05-09T23:31:03.168+03:00@vonbach
---The fact is most Eastern Europeans th...@vonbach<br /><br />---The fact is most Eastern Europeans think of the Nazi's as liberators.---<br /><br />You are a delusional revanchist, don't cry to hard your Third Reich has been dead for 65 years. If need be, we will be happy to do it again.<br /><br />---There were too many bodies of women and children that had just been machine gunned. My ancestors come from Prussia where at least 8 million German civilians were murdered 2 million raped and 12 million plus were displaced.---<br /><br />Wow really? Funny, official GERMAN Records show 8 million German civilians died, 6 million of them from US/UK fire bombing and artillery barrages. But hay, do not want to stop you on your shill fest for the SS.<br /><br />As for bodies and machine gunning, you mean like the 20 million civilians we had murdered, from 1941 to 1944? How about the 6 million Poles your grand daddy ground to dust? Or the Serbs, Greeks, Italians, French, Belgians, Jews, Carpatho-Russians, Slovaks and Czechs your boys were oh so busy massacering...oh that's right, that was you "liberaring" Europe with concentration camps and village burnings.<br /><br />The victory was not communism's, the victory was us untermensch kicking your ubermensch teeth in, after you tried oh so very hard to exterminate us.Stanislavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01399899593777065344noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8019578584768795401.post-39730715789597786642010-05-08T23:05:10.520+03:002010-05-08T23:05:10.520+03:00I have no problem with trying to put an Orthodox s...I have no problem with trying to put an Orthodox spin on Russia's victory but Stalin was a barbaric atheist who resumed a savage repression of the Church soon after he used the Russian Church to help defeat Hitler..Stalin was an enemy of Russia and that's the message you should also emphasize,Mr. Mishin. I also am not sure what you are referring to in the so-called rise of "neo-nazism" in Europe. The nationalist parties in Hungary(Jobbik),Slovakia(Slovak National Party,Smer) and even Poland are not reflexively anti-Russian and pro-American and pro-EU. They are hated and feared in Brussels and Washington and a wise Russia will exploit not condemn this rising populism.hamilton xhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10376218239692383597noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8019578584768795401.post-50994297855776247712010-05-08T21:12:13.018+03:002010-05-08T21:12:13.018+03:00@vonbach,
Yes, lets ask the Serbs who had 10% of ...@vonbach,<br /><br />Yes, lets ask the Serbs who had 10% of their population "reduced" by burning villages. Or the Greeks who lost even more to the Nazies and their allies.<br /><br />How about the Poles who had 6 million dead under the Nazis? Or maybe the Slovaks, who once they rebelled against the puppet government were getting butchered? Or the Bulgarians, once they rebelled too? How about the million Italians who were massacred by the Nazis and the remains of Mussoline's people after Italy switched sides? Or the jews and gypsies in the concentration camps? Oh, that's right, your precious Nazis were saints, just disregard the corpses they left everywhere, pilled to the skies...those they didn't have time to burn first.<br /><br />That's why the Czechs in Prague were hanging germans from lightpoles and setting them on fire, after the Red Army liberated them.Stanislavhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01399899593777065344noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8019578584768795401.post-78406653699187018802010-05-08T16:24:12.002+03:002010-05-08T16:24:12.002+03:00Oh rapture its "victory" day. Ask everyo...Oh rapture its "victory" day. Ask everyone in Eastern <br />Europe how much they feel like celebrating getting<br />"liberated" by the red army. The germans call the tomb of the unknown Russian soldier the tomb of the unknown rapist.vonbachhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11999271991399069937noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8019578584768795401.post-59762510373133758572010-05-08T16:02:29.971+03:002010-05-08T16:02:29.971+03:00The Russian victory and effort in WWII is still mi...The Russian victory and effort in WWII is still mistaken by communists worldwide as Stalin's victory and merit. I tell them it's a victory by the Russian people IN SPITE of Stalin, the mass-murderer that killed Russians just as effectively as the Germans.<br /><br />By "Fins" you wouldn't be referring to the shameful Winter War against Finland in 39, would you? If there is an example of courage and strength of a people in defending their homeland, even being outnumbered and outgunned, that would be Finland against Russian invasion.David B. Carvalhohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09366882943409455944noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8019578584768795401.post-8745062502442726462010-05-08T08:10:52.265+03:002010-05-08T08:10:52.265+03:00I grew up being fed the American populist historie...I grew up being fed the American populist histories of WW2, but then read the more detailed ones and learned that we were mostly a side show while Russia paid the price. A few of us Westerners will join you in remembering and being thankful for what Russia did.Looneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15801436449971512320noreply@blogger.com