Sunday, October 2, 2011

Nationalists of a Stripe: Or How Russian Nationalists Support Israel

Nationalists of a Stripe: Or How Russian Nationalists Support Israel

This last one is going to blow the mind of some of my readers, but in all truth, it should not.

Many people still cling to the Cold War dialectic of the Soviet Union, now Russia, supporting the Arab Muslim states against the West's Israel. Without giving much thought to the matter, they have always, for what ever silly reasons, attributed that Russia, first in the form of the Soviet Union, later in the form of the Russian Federation, was a friend of Islam and Muslim Arabs. This even while we have fought a 20 year jihad, armed and sponsored by those very Muslim Arabs.

Of course, they ignored that the SU was the first to recognize Israel, arm it and send 200,000 combat veterans (the US allowed 3,000 volunteers to leave and not return, and no weapons or ammunition) to fight the British and French armed and led Muslim Arabs.

That things changed, that alliances reworked themselves, was not because the SU suddenly saw the "righteousness" of the Islamics. Hardly. It was that Goldi Mir sucked up to the Americans and moved Israel into their orbit, while the French and British, after the defeats of the Muslim Arabs, abandoned their former colonies, leaving a power vacuum. This the SU filled, in its endless manuevering with the Americans.

True, with the rise of Russia, after the death of the SU, a lot of these alliances still stayed. Most of the old hands were still in power and alliances do not change over night, well, not most of them.

Still, relations expanded and as 2 million Russian Jews and Russians immigrated to Israel, those relations grew. Sure they had road bumps, but they have grown steadily. No visa regimes, with Russians being the majority of Israel's tourists. Large scale investment in both ways, civilian and military.

But the most telling of all, our Russian Orthodox Church is the biggest private land owner in Israel.

So without surprise, except that it took so long, the Russia’s National Democratic Alliance visited Israel last July 2011. Its head, Ilya Lazarenko, accompanied by Dr. Michael Pavlov of the “Union of Professors for strong Israel”, met first with met with the representative of the bloc “National Unity” MK Aryeh Eldad, head of the parliamentary lobby against Islamic fundamentalism and terrorism. It was the National Unity block that had invited them in.

They then visited the Knesset, and the memorial complex “Yad Vashem”. They toured the West Bank, walking on Hebron and Jerusalem. They than had a round table with “The Jewish Memorial “and the” Altalena – New Zionist revisionists.”

Lazarenko had this to say, after the meetings:

“We are very much in common, and first of all – rejection of violent Islamism, which is a threat to civilization" He said to the portal IzRus. – We also have some ideological overlap associated with the objectives of nation-building and its operation.”

“The national problem in Russia – this is primarily a[n ethnic] Russian problem, all the rest follow. The problem is that [ethnic] Russians don’t have their own national state, their homeland. Just as Jews didn’t have it for a long time,” – said Lazarenko.

This plays on the point I made in my commentary in: Are we Русский or Российский?

Dr. Pavlov commented on how friendly the atmosphere was, as the leaders figured out each other's positions and views and concluded that they were of a stripe.

He further confides that:

“About a month ago I was contacted by my friend, asking for help in organizing the visit to Israel of the movement of Russian National-Democrats. I was a little confused, because, in my understanding a Russian nationalist is a drunken member of Pamyat society, brandishing an ax, shouting “Beat the Jews – save Russia.” However, looking at information about the movement of the national democrats, I was pleasantly surprised. It turns out that for a long time the movement takes the Israel-friendly stand, and was one of the few Russian organizations that fully supported Israel during “Operation Cast Lead.”

They also appeared on the right wing Israeli channel "7th Channel" with the channel's editor Arutz Sheva. They also met with Israeli Deputy Minister of Development, Ayoob Kara, who himself had just returned from Europe, where he had been busy meeting with various right wing nationalist groups. Mr. Kara had this to say about his visits and out reaches.

“Some accuse me of having links with the ultra-Right movements and leaders. But I say – Israel must find allies to fight the scourge of Islamic fundamentalism. Left-wing leaders can not understand what I explain to them for many years: we have no partner for negotiations among the Arab countries – they do not want the existence of a Jewish state at all. This is proved by our retreat from Lebanon and the Gaza Strip, despite the fact that Israel returned to the boundaries defined by the UN, “Hezbollah” and Hamas failed to cease hostilities against Israel. Every day I read the Arabic-speaking press and see all the duplicity: while in English the Islamists broadcast their love of peace, then in Arabic – they call for Islamic expansion and the destruction of Israel.”

“In Russia, most of the media lie about the Jewish occupation and discrimination against the Arab population. We visited Hebron, and have not seen any signs of occupation. On the contrary – most people in the Russian provinces would envy those conditions which are at the Arab residents of Hebron. We have seen in Israel the only effective model of national state in the world, preserving the democratic structures, and we believe that Russia has a lot to learn from Israel in this field “- the movement’s leader Alexey Shiropayev said.

Shlomo Lensky (deputy adviser to Michael Ben-Ari on ‘Russian’ Affairs) stated, on the topic of breaking stereotypes:

“It is believed that if you’re a Russian nationalist – automatically you’re an anti-Semite and a fascist, etc., etc., and if you’re an Israeli right-wing you are always an extremist, a fanatic, a schismatic, and both – marginal. Meeting with Deputy Minister Ayoob Kara was an indication that it is the people who value and care about their country’s national interest who will find common language, who have a space for dialogue and may cooperate in the fight against common enemies, without being burdened with an inferiority complex and a variety of prejudices, “- said Shlomo Lensky.

And this should not be any surprise. All nationalists of any real stripe face a two pronged attack: the Satanic One World, Globalists and Financists and their Islamic Jihadist storm troopers.

So it should equally not be surprising that the NDA would come out in Moscow to a pro-Israeli, anti-Palestinian demonstration. Moscow protest against Palestinian statehood draws nationalists

Арье Эльдад принял в Кнессете делегацию НДА России


Aged parent said...

My dear friend:

Yes, the Soviet Union was one of the first to recognize "Israel", then quickly followed by Harry Truman, president of the USA.

But why are you amazed that the SU recognized Israel? Bolshevism was always Jewish-inspired from its very first days and this inspiration remained throughout the long sad days of Communist subjugation. I certainly don't dispute your understanding of Russian history, since you are a Russian, but I certainly dispute your clear lack of understanding of the Middle East.

Remember this: the Muslims lived in peace with Catholics, Orthodox and Jews until the time that Eastern European disciples of Theodor Herzl began their mad dreams of kicking out the Arabs (Christian and Muslim) and turning that once Holy Land into the worst racist regime in the entire history of mankind.

You desperately need, my dear friend, to try to understand the Middle East and the real issues there. With al the information available on the internet surely you can start to study the situation a little better.

Abandon your understandable "fortress mentality". And remember what people started the mess and the violence in the Middle East - the people who stirred the hornet's nest. It was NOT the Arabs.

barry said...

What is this fixation with Israel? They dragged their baggage to our door since 1948. I could care less about a 'Jewish' state. Why are they so special . I dont know of any exclusive Catholic states. Palestine will recognize 'Israel' as a nation that gives equal rights to all, not a 'Jewish' state.The Brits under Rothschild of course set this nightmare in motion in 1917 with the 'Balfour Declaration' .Google it.This might be cosy for you thinking Isrealis are on the frontline against the muslims you are so terrified of. Over here we see Netanyahu get 29 standing ovations in congress while the President gets shouted at by the same group.

Comparing this counterfeit country to a great nation like Russia is an insult to those Russins who suffered at the hands of 'nationalists' like Hitler. Or 'Internationalists' like Lenin and his crew of largely Jewish carpetbaggers.

Pervych said...

"But the most telling of all, our Russian Orthodox Church is the biggest private land owner in Israel."??? Собственность собственности ... быстро украденный от Церкви За границей и данный коммунистам, я мог бы добавить!!! ... предшествует существованию так называемого Израиля на многие годы!!!
P.S."It was NOT the Arabs."?! Их ложный культ был вдохновлен синагогой сатаны!!! БОГ ПРОКЛИНАЕТ ИХ ВСЕ!!!

Juniper in the Desert said...

Reading these comments I am not surprised the blood-libel of the Protocol of the Elders of Zion was cooked up in Russia! Nothing has changed!!

Stanislav said...


its interesting that you should say that, since most of the comments you are referring to are were made by your fellow Americans.

barry said...

@juniper Blood libel was Central European idea that Jews did ritual sacrifice of 'goyim' children, not a purely Russian accusation. If you actually read the Protocols you could see the Okhrana would have to be clairvoyant, for the accuracy of the Protocols prediction of current events.Go back to study actual history.