Saturday, August 1, 2009

Swine Flu and Islam, Random Thoughts

According to the Koran, pigs, swine, are the most dirty animal in the world. They are so dirty, that the presence of any amount of this animal, in the body of a Muslim, is tantamount to eternal damnation. No matter how pure, to the teachings of Mohammed, the believer was, or how glorious his death in jihad or how many thousands of innocent non-believers he killed, swine ill lead to damnation.

"Prohibited for you are 'al-maytah' (animals that are found dead), 'Al-Damm' (blood), 'lahm Al-Khinzeer' (the meat of pigs),and animals dedicated to other than God." Koran 5:3

Now, let us consider Swine Flu, with its two strands of swine flu, one avian flu and one human flu, all shaken not stirred. So, what does this mean: a virus becomes pathogenic to a species when it picks up the right kinds of DNA/RNA snippets from the host. Thus, the Swine Flu actually contains pig DNA, pig. Furthermore, often when it spreads in cells, it leaves some of that DNA, much of that DNA snippets may just become lodged permanently into the DNA of the host, thus the swine will permanently become part of the person and it may be passed down to the future children, as a retro-viral infection..

Thus, does that mean that any Muslim who has become and or will become infected with Swine Flu? Damnation? Ostracization from their society? After all, anyone infected can easily infect others and thus spread the damnation of the soul, either willingly or not. What about the terrorist suicide bomber? If he explodes and any of his victims are infected and parts of his body fall/mix with theirs and their blood, will he then face getting dragged down to his eternal Hell?

This danger could easily destroy Islamic society. It can be counted on that most any Muslims living in and or around non-Muslim majorities would have been exposed and are thus damned and there is nothing they can do to ever clean their own damnation away.


Balqis said...

If you remember during the first days of the swine flu, Jewish asked not to call it thus cause it was offensive :P
Eating pork meat voluntarily is definitely a major sin but if you take time to read more from the Quran and the Sunnah, you will find that God is full of mercy and everything will be brought into account on our record of deeds so in the end not even the greatest of the scholars can establish with certainty which of us will go to hell or to paradise
And anyway in Islam, intention comes first so we will not be punished for something we're not responsible for
For us Muslims this pandemia is another test from God

subscriptionblocker said...

Hahaha....every time I come to believe you are hopelessly serious, something like this gets posted.

Irreverence is a gift :)

taken said...

quote :
This danger could easily destroy Islamic society.

I wish...

Яша said...

"If you remember during the first days of the swine flu, Jewish asked not to call it thus cause it was offensive"

The Jews didn't give in to paranoia and started killing all of the goyim's pigs, as the mohammedans did in Egypt

"If you take time to read more from the Quran and the Sunnah, you will find that God is full of mercy"

But of course allah is full of mercy, you just take some time to read the Quran and the Sunnah and you'll find quotes like: "Fight the kuffar wherever you find them until they convert or pay the jizya with submission", "whenever they are found they shall be seized and slain (without mercy)", "don't take Christians and Jews as a friends", "kill everyone who insults a prophet"

"And anyway in Islam, intention comes first so we will not be punished for something we're not responsible for"

Oh yeah, that's why pious mohammedans honor-kill their raped daughters.

Mohammedans are so ignorant as to sue Djinni, purchase overpriced old sewing machines believed to contain red mercury, and they believed to be immune to swine flu since they don't eat pork. Wait till word of pig-DNA in swine flu goes around, this is gonna be fun.

Balqis said...

First of all do not call us Muhammedans
We are Muslims, servants of God only
We revere our Prophets but do not elevate them to the status of God
Secondly do not bring verses out of context
4.089 They but wish that ye should reject Faith, as they do, and thus be on the same footing (as they): But take not friends from their ranks until they flee in the way of God (From what is forbidden). But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever ye find them; and (in any case) take no friends or helpers from their ranks
This aya was revealed when Muslims were attacked
It gives the rulings for fight
33.60-61 If the hypocrites and those in whose hearts is a disease, and those who spread false news among the people in Al-Madinah stop not, We shall certainly let you overpower them, then they will not be able to stay in it as your neighbors but a little while.) Accursed, they shall be seized wherever found, and killed with a (terrible) slaughter.)
This is about those who were spreading false news about war because they wanted to take advantage and destroy the Muslims
5.51 O you who believe, do not take [certain] Jews and Christians as allies; these are allies of one another. Those among you who ally themselves with these belong with them. GOD does not guide the transgressors.
60.8 GOD does not enjoin you from befriending those who do not fight you because of religion, and do not evict you from your homes. You may befriend them and be equitable towards them. GOD loves the equitable.

As long as they're not fighting against us, or trying to bring us far from our religion, it's perfectly fine to be friends with the people of the Book
9.12. But if they violate their oaths after their covenant, and attack your religion with disapproval and criticism, then fight (you) against the leaders of disbelief -- for surely, their oaths are nothing to them -- so that they may stop (evil actions)

This verse was taken again out of context to justify violence
Prophet Muhammad said :
"He among you who sees a "munkar" ( something not good ) should change it with his hand ( activism, organization, movement ). If he can not do that, then with his tongue ( by seaking out against it ). If he can not do that, then within his heart ( by always disliking what is evil or harmful ) and that ( the last option ) is the weakest ( or lowest ) of faith".
Third, honour killings are part of culture, definitely not of religion
Let's not messup stuff
Last but not least, tell to your masters, that if they want to spread hatred against Islam, they're free to do it, but it takes brain

Яша said...

Mohammedans kill people over their "sacred" book and also kill whoever criticizes or "insult" Muhammad. Of course you Mohammedans adore Muhammad as well as their idols the Kaaba, the black stone and that rag called the Quran, why else would you kill any infidel who sets foot in Makkah and kill people who "defile" the Quran?

"Pakistan, Muslims kill six Christians over Quran claims"

More proof you adore Muhammad?

Bukhari - Volume 6, Book 60, Number 311:
Narrated Aisha:
"I used to look down upon those ladies who had given themselves to Allah's Apostle and I used to say, "Can a lady give herself (to a man)?" But when Allah revealed: "You (O Muhammad) can postpone (the turn of) whom you will of them (your wives), and you may receive any of them whom you will; and there is no blame on you if you invite one whose turn you have set aside (temporarily).'(33.51) I said (to the Prophet), "I feel that your Lord hastens in fulfilling your wishes and desires.""

Aisha and I feel Muhammad was Allah's master.

4.89 is instructions on how to deal with those who don't surrender to the mohammedan cult, "kill the renegades until there's no other religion but Islam". You claim that that was said when Muhammad was "persecuted, harassed and made fun of" by the "wicked" Jews and Christians whose religion Muhammad was plagiarizing", fact is, Muhammad is considered the perfect human being among Mohammedans and the best Mohammedans are those who imitate Muhammad to the minute detail, beheadings included.

BTW, this was the verse I was referring to:
"you who believe, do not take Jews and Christians as patrons, affiliating with them or showing them affection; they are patrons of each other, being united in disbelief. Whoever amongst you affiliates with them, he is one of them, counted with them. God does not guide the folk who do wrong, by affiliating with disbelievers."

Can you feel the love? According to the translations by Yusufali, Pickthal and Shakir there's no "[certain]" between "do not take" and "Jews and Christians as allies". You were allowed to kill unbelievers except those who pay for your mafia style "protection" the jizya, and those with whom you have "a pact". According to Qisas you do not shed the blood of a Muslim for that of an Infidel.

"As long as they're not fighting against us, or trying to bring us far from our religion"

I wish for Christians to have a law like that, to consider DA'WAH (Islamic proselytizing) an attack against Christianity and thus able to fight, seize and slay Mohammedans:

"Nigeria, Boko Haram beheads 3 Christian Pastors for preaching"
Aren't you glad your Mohammedan "brothers" seized and slayed those who fight against Islam?

"Third, honour killings are part of culture, definitely not of religion"

WHAT!!!! YOU MEAN MOHAMMEDANS ARE STILL LIVING IN THE AGE OF IGNORANCE AKA JAHILIYAH SOME 1400 YEARS AFTER THE QURAN WAS REVEALED TO MUHAMMAD? Don't try to fool people, you Mohammedans breathe Islam every second of your damn existence by praying 5 times a day every day, going to the mosque on fridays, wearing hijab, even invoking allah before and after using the bathroom; many of you were even made to memorize the Quran, how come you conveniently "forget" about Islam when you honorkill your mothers, daughters, sisters and wives?

"Last but not least, tell to your masters, that if they want to spread hatred against Islam, they're free to do it, but it takes brain"

Masters? Oh, no, I'm not a Mohammedan, Mohammedan. I'm not crazy about bringing the Caliphate back so that I can have a Caliph master lording over me.

Stanislav said...


Actually the number of Muslims in Russia is quickly falling. The Church has converted several millions and even with positive immigration and birth, the number has gone from 14 to 12 million. Much of Tartarstan is now Russian Orthodox and the Muslims that remain are not very religious. Even the Chechen Suffis are sick and tired of psychotic Sunnie coming in and blowing things up. Most of the fighting in the province of Chechnya is between Moscow's Chechen militias and the Arab/Turk/UK Sunni jihadists.

Stanislav said...


Please point out in the Koran where you are taught to turn the other cheek and to love your enemy and to pray for them even as they do evil upon you and torment you....I will wait.

Furthermore, as predicted by the prophet Ezekial, Christ was a manifestation of God not a mere human prophet, but part of the Trinity of the One God Head.

Furthermore, Moses and all others were not Muslims as there was no such thing until Mohammed.

The conquest of Mecca, in Islam's own words, shows us the blood lust and murder and pillaging and forced conversions:

Tabari VIII:160 "Allah’s Apostle set out on the expedition against the people of Mecca in the month of Ramadan."

Qur'an 9:5 "When the sacred forbidden months for fighting are past, fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, beleaguer them, and lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war."

Ishaq:544 "Muhammad commanded the people to prepare for the foray [raid, incursion, sortie, attack, or assault]. The Messenger informed his troops that he was going to Mecca. He ordered them to prepare themselves and ready their equipment quickly. He said, 'O Allah, keep spies and news from the Quraysh until we take them by surprise in their land.'"

Ishaq:544 "Hassan incited the men, reciting: 'This is the time for war. Don't feel safe from us. Our swords will open the door to death.'"

Tabari VIII:168 "He departed on the tenth day of Ramadan. They broke their fast and encamped at Marr Zahran with 10,000 Muslims. No news reached the Quraysh about the Messenger, and they did not know what he would do."

Tabari VIII:176/Ishaq:549 "The Prophet sent out his army in divisions. Zubayr was in charge of the left wing. He was ordered to make an entry with his forces from Kuda. Sa'd was commanded to enter with forces by way of Kada. Allah’s Apostle said, 'Today is a day for battle and war. Sanctuary is no more. Today the sacred territory is deemed profane [ungodly, irreverent, wicked, and sacrilegious].' When one of the Muhajirs [Emigrants] heard him say this, he warned the Apostle, 'It is to be feared that you would resort to violence.' The Prophet ordered Ali to go after him, to take the flag from him, and fight with it himself."

Bukhari:V4B53N412 "Allah’s Apostle said on the day of the conquest of Mecca, 'There is no migration now, only Jihad, holy battle. And when you are called for Jihad, you should come out at once.'"

Stanislav said...

Muslim: B19N4395 "I said: 'Should I tell you a Hadith from your Traditions.' He gave an account of the Conquest of Mecca, saying: 'Muhammad (may peace be upon him) advanced until he reached Mecca. He assigned Zubayr to his right flank and [killer] Khalid to his left. Then he dispatched Ubaida with the force that had no armor. They advanced to the interior. The Prophet (may peace be upon him) was in the midst of a large contingent of his fighters. Allah’s Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: 'You see the ruffians and the lowly followers of the Quraysh.' He indicated by striking one of his hands over the other that they should be killed. So we went off on his orders and if anyone wanted a person killed; he was slain. No one could offer any resistance. Then [the recently "converted"] Abu Sufyan said: Messenger, the blood of the Quraysh has become very cheap. The Prophet said: 'Kill all who stand in your way.'"

Tabari VIII:176 "'Fight only those who fight you.' When Khalid came upon them in the lower part of Mecca, he fought them, and Allah put them to the fight. Zubayr encountered a squadron of Quraysh on the slopes of Kada and killed them."

"When the Prophet arrived, the people stood before him to swear allegiance to him, and so the Meccans became Muslims [one who submits]."

Qur'an 48:28 : "You will see them bow and prostrate themselves, seeking Allah’s acceptance. On their faces are their marks, the traces of their prostration."

Ishaq:550 "The Muslims met them with their swords. They cut through many arms and skulls. Only confused cries and groans could be heard over our battle roars and snarling."

Tabari VIII:178/Ishaq:550 "Muhammad ordered that certain men should be assassinated even if they were found behind the curtains of the Ka'aba. Among them was Abdallah bin Sa'd [the Qur'an's first scribe]. The reason that Allah’s Messenger ordered that he should be slain was because he had become a Muslim and used to write down Qur'an Revelation. Then he apostatized, reverted to being a polytheist, and returned to Mecca."

Tabari VIII:179 "Abdallah bin Sa'd fled to Uthman, his brother, who after hiding him, finally surrendered him to the Prophet. Uthman asked for clemency. Muhammad did not respond, remaining silent for a long time. Muhammad explained, 'By Allah, I kept silent so that one of you might go up to him and cut off his head.' One of the Ansar said, 'Why didn't you give me a sign.' Allah’s Apostle replied, 'A prophet does not kill by pointing.'"

Tabari VIII:179/Ishaq:550 "Among those who Muhammad ordered killed was Abdallah bin Khatal. The Messenger ordered him to be slain because while he was a Muslim, Muhammad had sent him to collect the zakat tax with an Ansar and a slave of his."

"The girls used to sing a satire about Muhammad so the Prophet ordered that they should be killed along with Abdullah." "Abdallah was killed by Sa'id and Abu Barzah. The two shared in his blood. One of the singing girls was killed quickly but the other fled. So Umar caused his horse to trample the one who fled at Abtah, killing her."

Ishaq:551 "Another victim was Huwayrith. He used to insult Muhammad in Mecca. Huwayrith was put to death by Ali."

Ishaq:551 "Miqyas. The Messenger ordered his assassination only because he had killed an Ansar who had killed his brother by mistake and then became a renegade by rejecting Islam."

Tabari VIII:180 "Also among those eliminated were Ikrimah bin Abu Jahl and Sarah, a slave of one of Abd Muttalib's sons. She taunted Muhammad while he was in Mecca."

Tabari VIII:181 "According to Waqidi the Messenger ordered that six men and four women should be assassinated. One of these women was Hind, who swore allegiance and became a Muslim."

Balqis said...

you keep on bringing examples of Muslims who are not representatives of our religion
And on the reasons why those Christians were killed, we can argue forever
It's just politics
Same as you're trying to spread hatred in the west against Muslims, there are a good number of people in pakistan and afghanistan who actually want to raise the level of tension
The story of the qurans which were burned is just a scapegoat

Muhammad as every other Prophet deserves respect because he was given the final revelation
We obey him as he was a slave of God same as we are
Told you in my previous post verse 5 51 must be taken in a context of war It's not a matter of translation, but of knowing the historic context in which those verses were revealed
Relations with the people of the Book are ruled by verse 60.8

The murder of the apostates is matter of discussion among scholars
Personally am with those who think the punishment must be applied only in case the conversion of the Muslim to another religion has the meaning of war against Islam, that is an act against the state, not when it remains a private choice
That was what our prophet did in his time
He never killed an apostate unless this caused a damage to the Islamic nation
There is that hadith but nothing is known about the conditions for which he pronounced those words
Proselitysing is forbidden also in Christianity
In most Arab countries they're just kicked out if caught while preaching or converting locals, same as it happens in russia with catholics
I don't know how they apply sharia in nigeria
how come you conveniently "forget" about Islam when you honorkill your mothers, daughters, sisters and wives?
Who said that Muslims are perfect ?
We're sinners same as you are


I don't know much about Orthodoxy as I was raised as a Catholic, but the Trinity concept is difficult to digest
it's a dogma which doesn't have a logical explanation
if you go through Islamic history you'll see how the Prophet when beaten to death, invoked God to pardon those who persecuted them
You can quote as many verses and hadeeth you want but if you do not know why, how and when they were revealed, then Islam seems a religion of hatred
I like the way Russia deals with Muslims on its own territory
I don't speak russian but I watch vesti sometimes and i see the mufti is often invited for interviews and there's many meetings between the patriarch and other religious leaders, while in my country [italy] Catholics dictate the rules and Muslims are made into a ghetto
I don't know if my feeling is correct, but though ROC is the kremlin ally, I think there's room for us to live there in peace
I don't think Muslims are a threat to russian government and am saddened for what's going on in the caucasus
Wish one day i can visit again russia, and go to grozny to the new mosque

Stanislav said...

Russians deal with Muslims peacefully as long as the Muslims remain peaceful and those Muftis you see, not only are they Sufi who are much less radical than the rest, but they know one thing for very sure: if they ever attempt Jihad, there won't be anything left of them ever...they will be wiped out.

As for the Trinity, that is one of those mystic concepts that you are not supposed to figure logically, because Gods logic is rather high above that of the mortal men. Just like how the body and blood are transformed from the bread and wine. We accept these as faith, we do not try to logic those points out.

The hadith quoted, and the histories quoted, show vengence, bloodshed, murder and betrayal. I do not know how you can spin it in another way.

War, plainly, is evil, under all circumstances, it is a sin to shed human blood. Of course do not get that wrong with the Orthodox will not fight, we have fought with Islam for 1300 years and it is Jihad that took our lands in Yemen, Iraq, Syria, Israel, Egypt, north Sudan, Lybia, Tunisia, Chad, Asia Minor, Albania, Azerbajan, Jordon, Lebanon. Those were Orthodox lands and they will sooner or later be returned to the Church and Hagia Sophia will once again be the greatest Orthodox Church in the world.

Islam has killed many people in Russia through terror acts, several dozen every year. The Caucus Jihad is kept going by Turkey and Saudi Arabia and Azerbajan. It was more or less settled down only after 2000, when Russia took the gloves off and out brutalized the Jihadists. They are afraid now and settle for now.

Balqis said...

That is not Islam
Those are just terrorists
They take verses and hadeeth out of context same as Horowitz and alikes in the west do
Muslims reacted to attacks in history but circumstances now are not comparable

Piotr P. said...

@ Stas
Stop parroting senseless dogmas, dude. What Trinity? What is Trinity? How can anyone in his right mind believe in such nonsense? I doubt you’re an Orthodox for if you were, you’d read Antoniy Surozhsky, Vladimir Kazansky, Mikhail Suzdalsky, and dozens others (all your own theologians, mind you) who stated the same; namely: the concept of Trinity is a nonsensical one and is a sneaky plant placed by the enemies of Russia (namely – the Mongols) to destroy the Church with utter abracadabrish illogical mess. Give it up, and embrace the religion of the future – the one that will save Russia – Mormonism.

Stanislav said...


Mongols? What rubbish did you come up with this time. Allow me as to always educate you: The Trinity has been a concept, first in the Jewish ancient works as prophesized by Ezekeal and as official Christian doctrine from the first Ecomunical Council....ever heard of those?

This coming from a man who follows a faith started by a guy "reading" silver plates that no one else say, and he "hid" in a hat and read with his magic glass rock...and conviniently they all floated away by angels afterwards...oh but not until he got to set himself up as highpriest and king of New Zion and got dupes to give all the land they give in Utah to him.

But hay, as arrogant as you already are, you will make a fine god in your next life when you and your wife(s) get your own planet to populate.

Yes, where was that crap in the teachings of either Christ or the Jewish Prophets? Oh, that's is right, that was when the "Israelites" came to N.America and fight the devil's (Christ's brother) red skin evil peoples. Riiight...nice fantasy...about as credible as Elron Hubbard and his intergalactic space empire throwing exiled souls on to earth.

If you knew anything for real about Christianity, about Orthodoxy, instead of reading some pseudo at best Orthodox fringers, you would have a clue upon which to stand on.

As I said, if this is the caliber of work you do as a professor, I feel much sorrow for your pupils...and don't come back to Russia, we do not need you here polluting our society.

Stanislav said...


----Give it up, and embrace the religion of the future – the one that will save Russia – Mormonism.----

Sorry, bucko, I prefer my soul saved, not damned following some scifi rubbish created for the weak minded...a cult where the whole truth is not revealed until you are all the way in.

Hay, did you put on any dead people onto yourself to rebaptise them Mormon, lately?

Ever wonder why most Russians, Ukrainians, Georgians, Germans and so on, throw your missionaries out on their ear?

Piotr P. said...

Stas said: This coming from a man who follows a faith started by a guy "reading" silver plates that no one else say, and he "hid" in a hat and read with his magic glass rock...and conviniently they all floated away by angels afterwards...oh but not until he got to set himself up as highpriest and king of New Zion and got dupes to give all the land they give in Utah to him.

- Dude, why talk about something you don’t really know. And talking about the REAL deity, our Semi-God Brother Joseph, you’re just shooting yourself in the foot, as you will be reincarnated in the next life as a lower form, a cat perhaps, or a tree. OK, let me now decipher and shoot down your dirty lies one by one:
1) The plates were made of pure gold;
2) Joseph never made it to Utah, he was butchered (together with his brother Hyrum by a mob of angry Russian Orthodox fanatics in Missouri (they invited him over for a cup of hot chocolate (we, Mormons, do not drink tea or coffee or alcohol as our God the Father covenanted us so) and then imprisoned them, and later killed them without a trial – how typical of Russians, - betraying those who trusted them, eh?)
3) Btw, I would love to “pollute” your society by teaching young kids (some as little as 6 or 7 – last year in Moscow I witnessed scores of them returning from schools every afternoon – a cigarette in their foul mouths and a beer bottle in their little hands) NOT to drink or/and smoke.

Piotr P. said...

The statistics of the church says otherwise, brother. Here are the last three years in numbers of the Church of J. Christ of LDS in the Eastern Europe:
New Converts: 2006: Russia: 13,209, Ukraine: 25,082
2007: Russia: 17,913, Ukraine: 31,110
2008: Russia: 20,004, Ukraine: 35,652

Taken from

Piotr P. said...

btw, Stas, the CHurch does EXTREMELY well in Germany, Georgia, Scandinavia, etc. For example, we have over a million members in Germany, which makes us the third largest church there, only 40 short years after entering that country. In Georgia, we're the second largest church already... The God's truth has no boundaries! So, give up your senseless resistance, and join us, for the future and the truth are with us!

Stanislav said...


Wow, big difference, silver or gold.

Russian Orthodox in Missouri? In the mid 1800s? They come from where, Mars?

There is a strong anti-smoking campeign now...of course Phillip Morris and other US companies are less than happy.

If you hate Russia and Russians so much, why do you bother to come, you a masechist of something?

Stanislav said...


Over a million? I'd have to check that like all your "statistics". There are only 4.5 million or so registered Mormons according to last US census...yes I do check, out of curiosity. The Germans I knew, hated you.

As for Georgians, yes I have relatives there too....a cousin of mine threaten to toss your "messangers" off the stairs if they ever come to her apartment again...and the Georgians I have known all dispise you and the other American unwanted import: Jehova Witnesses....polluting Orthodox youth with your made up heresies off of your gold plates no one but one illiterate farmer "saw".

Stanislav said...


Wow, 50K in 3 years...wonder how many left...why no statistics? 50K out of a population of 145 million and about 12 million legal and illegal residents...or 157 million or so....not eve .01% not a statistically meritable number.

Ducky's here said...

Bye - bye Jews too, you Muscovite Zionist freak?

Bob said...

"According to the Koran, pigs, swine, are the most dirty animal in the world. They are so dirty, that the presence of any amount of this animal, in the body of a Muslim, is tantamount to eternal damnation."

A blessing in disguise for the pig when you consider the widespred practice among muslims to sodomize practically any animal that walks on four legs: pack mules, camels, etc.